Grell the Warlord General of Sturmbeorn in contrast has never been associated with world breaking power although altogether the Sturmbeornen (with ties to northern Berserker lore) are credited for being able to resist the power of the Vanquisher Corp: The Estherians are directly connected to the introduction of Spectral Dragons, indirectly influenced the beginnings of the Ezrohir, have populated and / or controlled most of TL2's Continental lands of Vilderan at some point in history, trained Syl the Sage on her expertise (hence her teacher Alric learned from them too), and possibly trained Imperial even Ancient Embermages if including the lore found on Unique Items: All three likely share a similar consequence and all three likely have ties to Ancient Estherians because of Grunnheim lore: This seems strange since TL1 implies that all of it's 3 playable Class Characters can and have defeated Ordrak the fallen TL1 Dragon Guardian - a being of great world power manipulated by Corruption and acts as a harbinger of the TL2 Netherim.īonus Note: Ordrak's lore ties him to the back-stories of TL2 Dragon Bosses Vyrax and Thiss as being hungry for power through Embers. "Overwhelmed" may be a subjective word with many interpretations yet one aspect is clear: Vale the TL1 Vanquisher did not defeat General Grell within the Wellspring Temple of TL2 Act_1. She is overwhelmed by General Grell and his minions, but is rescued by the player. The Vanquishers (TL1 Class trained soldiers), The TL1 Class Destroyer, and Syl the TL1 Npc Sage are defeated by the Fallen TL1 Class Alchemist in the opening TL2 cinematic only for Commander Vale (TL1 Class Vanquisher and a Npc TL2 Leader) to arrive shortly later in-game.
Ultimate Torchlight Back-Story Revealing Spoilers Below:Įxcept Grell wasn't available in TL1 while Ordrak (the true back-story villain although not always a game boss) is the plot pivot for both games directly and indirectly: Grell had invaded the entirety of the Steppes so this was a missed opportunity. Vale is never shown in the first Cinematic which allowed the possibility of her arriving later had the Studio chosen that logic instead.
Would make more sense for us to save this theorized inexperienced Captain then have Commander Vale arrive later to clean up the Steppes herself with the experience she gained from the first game. I can only surmise this was written as plot convenience by the Studio although in that case - they really should've just had the Estherians send their own Captain (there's Estherian Armor in the game available to the player hence this implies that the Enclave can field a defensive embermage with pacifist tactics at the very least). The Vanquisher helped take down Ordrak alongside the Destroyer and the Alchemist in the original game, yet in the sequel, she is defeated by Grell. Grell is a much weaker monster than Ordrak.
Originally posted by dwaynegand:This makes no sense.